How hard is it for newbies to get into GQuuuuuuX? Chris and Coop investigate.
Disclaimer:The views and opinions expressed by the participants in this chatlog are not the views of Anime News Network. Spoiler Warning for discussion of the series ahead.
Amazon streams Mobile Suit Gundam GQuuuuuuX.
Hulu streams 08th MS Team.
Netflix streams The First Slam Dunk.
HBO Max streams FLCL.
Tubi/Retrocrush streams Project A-Ko.
Crunchyroll streams Gunbuster, Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Danganronpa 3, BanG Dream It's MyGO!!!!!/Ave Mujica, and Guilty Gear Strive Dual Rulers.
HiDive streams Revue Starlight the Movie.
Chris
Coop, I've been enjoying Gundam GQuuuuuuX pretty well since it started this season. But as someone who's not super up on all my Universal Century lore, I can have a hard time keeping track of all the legacy characters that show up. Fortunately, I've hit upon a solution: I call any character I don't recognize "Fred!" This works perfectly and totally won't make me confuse them with anyone or anything else-
Wait! Wrong purple and green robot with horrifying, godlike powers. But I do see what you mean, Chris. I'm only familiar with the larger minutiae of the Universal Century by osmosis. It can make you scratch your head a little when your best friend or partner shouts "GATES CAPA" at the screen, and you're like "who?"
I respect them introducing him eyepiece-first, just to throw off all the normies (like yours truly) who would presume this bad blonde boy was a returned Char, rather than some other blorbo from Zeta Gundam instead.
This has been the way of GQuuuuuuX and a major emergent element of discourse around it: is Tsurumaki and Anno's vision accessible for newcomers as many might have hoped? And if not, how; and is that necessarily a bad thing?
This element of the series even broke internet containment, becoming a regular topic of conversation while I ran around at Animazement last weekend. If someone brought up GQuuuuuuX in the slightest, it'd go to "so what's up with these blorbos?" right away.
It's a fair point. The initial teases for GQuuuuuuX made it look for all the world like another alternate universe entry point starring a funny red-headed girl piloting the Gundam much like that G-Witch show that made waves a couple of years ago. Then the movie came out and made clear that this was a reverent alternate history to the One Year War, complete with callbacks and cameos that have only piled up into apparent continuity porn as the show has hit the two-thirds mark.
Like you, I've seen this element discussed a lot with the series, to the point that several people have noped out of it, thinking they aren't getting everything they could. Which is too bad, I think, because I'm not up on all this stuff either, and I'm still having a great time with the show!
I believe at its core, GQuuuuuuX is generally telling the audience everything they need to know for the story it is exploring. Past the alternate 0079 setup, the series throws in characters like Bask Ohm and the aforementioned Gates Capa as "if you know, you know" winks to longtime fans. Functionally, they're all brand-new characters, and there is no better example than Challia Bull.
Challia has been morphed into way more than the villain of the week he was in 0079. Not to mention that all of his fellow preexisting characters aren't the same people they were in their initial incarnations either. Above all, the series is dedicated to the story of Machu and Nyaan...even if that's wrapped up in some deeply reverent Gundam trappings.
Exactly, in Challia's case, new viewers don't need to know who he was because the show does a good job of explaining who he is in this context when he's introduced. He has a role to play here. Similarly, it's easy to grok what Kycilia's deal is and her position in Zeon. I will admit the series hasn't been super detailed about the Zabi family as a whole, but the basics as they motivate the immediate plot are here.
A lot of the other returning characters, like the aforementioned Bask and Gates, or even characters who are references to past characters like Psycho Gundam pilot Deux Murasame, are more like little treats for those established fans. You aren't missing out on crucial information if you don't know what they're about in the moment.
And also GQuuuuuuX moves so dang fast that it's not like a lot of them stick around long enough to matter.
I do understand where a bit of the worry comes from—it's the same longtime fans for whom these references were made. They naturally want new viewers to enjoy this series with the same level of context they have, so nothing flies over anyone's head. However, in the process, this well-intentioned concern may push new viewers away because they feel the need to do homework.
I struggled with the same sensation while watching The First Slam Dunk for the first time. I was so concerned with watching out for minute callbacks that I couldn't see the film for its qualities. Once I'd given myself a little time to step back and get that out of my system, I realized on rewatch that the film works spectacularly at threading that Dunk sicko-new baller needle.
As someone for whom The First Slam Dunk was indeed my first, uh, Slam Dunk, I can confirm it worked great—on your own recommendation no less! It's a strong sports movie on its own that teases just enough of the bigger ballin' context that I can believe I'd have a good time if I ever went back and checked out the original Slam Dunk.
It effectively gives away how The Big Game goes. But I'm someone who was prompted to watch all of Breaking Bad after I wound up catching the final episode. Seeing the context of how a story arrives somewhere can be a big motivator to get me to check something out. GQuuuuuuX is entertaining me while also reaffirming my desire to eventually go back and see these other stories of Titans and girls who become a different person when they pilot the Psycho Gundam.
Same here! Deux's rampage in the Psycho Gundam makes me jonesing to get back to Zeta Gundam so I can finally meet this Four everyone seems to be head over heels for!
This also has me thinking about the opening episodes of Zeta, which, similarly to GQuuuuuuX, are focused on introducing a new cast of characters while remaining firmly in the shadow of the original series. Like a new viewer, Kamile and Machu don't know all the specifics of the One Year War, but they're fully surrounded by tales of the legendary Gundam and the cunning Char Aznable. Like it is portrayed in both Zeta and GQuuuuuuX, 0079 and its characters share a similarly mythic status in real life, making it easy for viewers to slip into the shoes of either new character. You might know a thing or two with a viewing of the original series or the film trilogy beforehand, but I think you'd probably be able to get into future series without that additional knowledge. It's up to the viewer to decide what angle they want to approach a work from.
That's an interesting way of looking at it from the joined perspectives of the new characters and new audience members. It also leads me into another point about my interfacing with GQuuuuuuX. While I'm pretty light on my experience with "First" Gundam the original anime, I'm hardly lacking in Gundam and UC experience overall!
That is, I caught a couple episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam on Toonami back in the day, but I mostly watched a bunch of the latter-day Universal Century OVAs, like War in the Pocket, Stardust Memory, and my beloved 08th MS Team. These interfaced and conversed with events of the original series, and similar to GQuuuuuuX, they were enjoyable on their own merits.
War in the Pocket is an amazing example of a story that interfaces with the original series, while firmly telling its own heartbreaking story. Like GQuuuuuuX, the aforementioned OVAs use the UC sandbox to share their stories, but I don't think they're shackled to it.
War in the Pocket's Christina Mackenzie set the standard for red-haired Gundam-pilot girls that Machu proudly follows to this day.
A legend in her own right.
As a kid whose first Gundam series was G Gundam and their favorite as a adult is Turn A Gundam, I can tell you pretty firmly that I don't believe there is a "right" order to watch anything in. If it looks interesting to you, give it a try! You can always fill in the blanks later if you want to.
This all gets into the point that something as pop-culturally saturated as Gundam is going to inevitably have some elements you've probably heard of before you even sample your first one. As a certified Enokido and Tsurumaki sicko, I was primed to cheer for the Gundam Hammer when it appeared in GQuuuuuuX just because I remembered the way they name-checked it in FLCL.
Maybe that's my "I'm built different" qualification. Compared to FLCL, at least all the references getting slung around in GQuuuuuuX are in-context.
Speaking of out-of-context references, Project A-ko and Aim for the Top! Gunbuster are a pair of titles that became pillars of the early North American anime community. But when they hit, not many of the then-young fans caught A-ko's unrelenting barrage of deep cuts or the fact that Gunbuster starts as a parody of Aim for the Ace! However, fans still enjoyed these titles for their own merits, regardless. It's why I fell in love with A-ko and Gunbuster as a high schooler despite not having a lick of context for all the fanservice...or even knowing it was there.
This is exactly my point. You don't need to know that Haruko flying around in a bunny girl outfit is a reference to Daicon IV, or even know what a Daicon is to enjoy the ride...and then eventually learning what this stuff references can send you down the hole of finding out about Gainax's early efforts or letting yourself check out Aim for the Ace.
Back in the days before accessible streaming backlogs and dedicated fan wikis, this was how a lot of us interfaced with this kind of material in anime: take it on its face and worry about catching up on the references later.
I'm reminded of how I watched all of Jubei-chan 2 in the late aughts simply because the DVDs were cheap at FYE and the cover art looked cool. I was missing a few details, but I still remember having a good time with it.
Incidentally, another follow-up you can enjoy without having seen the original! I'd argue that this tends to be the case with a lot of legacy media, anime or otherwise, over the years. How many people jumped into fandoms by watching Star Trek: The Next Generation without having seen the original series, or Beast Wars without having seen the original Generation 1 Transformers? I know that for a ton of people, Doctor Who effectively started with the Ninth Doctor. It admittedly helps when these series are designed specifically as stepping stones for new entrants. There are plenty of places to hop into Fate, and the people that made Unlimited Blade Works certainly weren't counting on everyone having seen "Deen/Stay Night" beforehand.
How will the children know that people die when they are killed, Chris?
To say nothing of what the Archer class is made up of.
I've been thinking about this conversation in the context of Revue Starlight: The Movie as well. While viewers might get a little extra information from the series proper, my god does this film hone in on a plot that is both its own beast and in conversation with the show. You explored this very topic with Steve in a look at the film a few years ago.
Having someone who hasn't seen the series before check out Revue Starlight The Movie as their first exposure stands as an odd little social experiment I'd love to conduct one day. It's a movie that can get by on its sheer vibes and the communicated tenor of its plot, which I think would work even for a newbie. So long as they were the right level of theater-kid sicko.
Make me wonder if Danganronpa 3 could work on its own merits, even if I've been historically hesitant to recommend it to new viewers. Because the Danganronpa universe has more than a few bloody puzzle boxes to unlock. It's really up to viewers to go for whatever vibes with them.
DR3 does an amazing job of executing on an an idea haven't seen since: airing two seasons (The Future and Despair arcs in the case of DR3) at the same time, with each alternating episode building upon each other. It'd be a headache to coordinate, but I would love to see someone take another shot at this concept.
Duality and references to series within series to layer things even further! Along those lines, I wouldn't be me if I didn't take this opportunity to bring up the legacy sequel that I know brought in a bunch of newcomers. BanG Dream: It's MyGO!!!!! technically occupies the same universe as the original and even features numerous cameos, but they're ultimately as consequential as the likes of Gates in GQuuuuuuX.
I'm thrilled to see Moca in It's MyGO!!!!!, but the real attraction was a whole new wave of viewers glomming onto these lost girls and their psychological horror B-side Ave Mujica to the tune of a third season of this take on BanG Dream being green-lit. You don't need to know who Kasumi is to make that work.
After hearing you rave about Ave Mujica and MyGO!!!!!, I'd be lying if I hadn't considered taking a jump into the former to see what's going on. I could nab that MyGO!!!!! foundation later.
The irony is that even as Ave Mujica was marketed as a newbie-friendly jumping-on point (and even had the BanG Dream name stripped out of its title on Crunchyroll), it doesn't work as such. It's a series you need to see that first half in It's MyGO!!!!! for.
There are cases where these sorts of series don't pan out as entry points.
Perhaps my Danganronpa fears may have some weight behind them. I don't know many people who played Ultra Despair Girls...and there's a DR3 episode that serves as a direct follow-up to it without much setup.
At least that's probably easier to track as a video game tie-in than this season's Guilty Gear anime. That one's so steeped in the lore (appropriately for Guilty Gear) that I haven't even seen people attempting to discuss it the way they have GQuuuuuuX.
Thinking about how Woolie ended up doing a whole series of sponsored videos to break down the GG lore.
As we've indicated with several of these examples, all these anime are going to be someone's entry point into these franchises. It's an opportunity for conversation, both within the stories and without; as you alluded to at the start of this column, both you and I have the advantage of watching GQuuuuuuX with someone steeped in Gundam lore who will happily explain who all these Mobile Suit Glup Shittos even are. That's something special, but also in an era of anime-fan interconnection, not the rarest thing.
I believe GQuuuuuuX can be enjoyed on its own, and any Freds you encounter that you're unfamiliar with? That's an opportunity for some entertaining wiki-diving or chats with your fellow fans!
Those Glup Shitto-lovin friends of yours might lead you to your next favorite!
If only they could help identify this mystery man who showed up in the latest episode. I'm inexperienced, so all I know is that he's not Gates Capa.
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