Coop and Chris discuss the censorship of Chinese novels focusing on the romantic attraction between men and the legal persecution of its authors.
Disclaimer:The views and opinions expressed by the participants in this chatlog are not the views of Anime News Network. Spoiler Warning for discussion of the series ahead.
Heaven Official's Blessing is streaming on Crunchyroll
Coop
Y'know, Chris... Since Lucas and Steve looked into the bad romance-filled world of K-comics earlier this week, let's head slightly westward to talk about one of the hottest genres coming out of China these days: danmei. While most might see it as simply Chinese BL, it's far more sprawling than they might expect. Be it sci-fi, fantasy, manhua, donghua, novels, or even live-action dramas, every consumable form is on fire in English-speaking spaces. However, as danmei analyst baiwu-jinji has recently reported, as that popularity grows, the authors of these stories are increasingly targeted by Chinese obscenity laws.
Chris
It seems International Week on This Week In Anime continues apace!
The arrests referenced here actually occurred late last year, specifically targeting authors published on the Taiwan-based adult fiction website Haitang Literature.
The comments released last week speak to the chilling effect this kind of crackdown can have on fiction, reflected in similar issues being felt in material like manga abroad. The other guys got to talk trashy romance, so now it's time for a "fun" column.
Current events in the United States aren't exactly helping the mood either. After you think a few things over regarding Danmei (especially considering that it's Pride Month, too), it's hard not to make a few chilling connections.
It's a subject that's hard to talk about without getting into the dreaded "too political" sphere purported by pundits and people of the peanut gallery. But given danmei's long history of its expression clashing with government censorship efforts, it's also somewhat inevitable.
After reading into it the past few days, it's also one I see as fascinating, in how it's emblematic of the spirit of expression and the popularity of stories to push through, even as they're labeled "obscene" in an attempt to quash them.
That presents a troubling dichotomy between how it's viewed internationally and domestically. For instance, publishers like Seven Seas are making a concerted effort to get the biggest names in danmei (especially the works of Mo Xiang Tong Xiu, better known as MXTX) officially out in English.
In the case of MXTX's Heaven's Official Blessing, fans can eat up the original novels, Crunchyroll's Blu-ray release of the donghua, and even shirts at Hot Topic. As a "ye old," once you're in Hot Topic, you've made it into the wider mainstream consciousness. If your dead mall still has one.
A symbol of our modern dystopia in more ways than one.
It's concerning that one of China's hottest cultural exports has become the latest product to sell internationally while its creators are in the crosshairs for simply writing it.
These legal actions aren't new, either. ANN reported on the sentencing of a danmei author back in 2018.
To be sure, art that pisses off the right people in power is always going to possess a certain allure. "See what they don't want you to see" and all that. So, I can see why material that's been straight-up blocked in some instances would catch the attention of potential viewers.
Add in the fact that dealing with subjects representing a current cultural taboo, like love between men, brings its propensity for popularity, and you've got a recipe for a hit. Even I caught wind of Heaven's Official Blessing a couple of years ago, despite not being anywhere near the scene. I've been around for previous BL booms, so I get it.
Aside from my dated reference to Hot Topic, it was a little under a year ago that I noticed danmei blossoming around me. While running around Houston with a friend last year, I noticed the occasional person reading through a danmei novel. Be it at a restaurant or a boba shop, I'd seen a cover filled with long-haired pretty boys in ornate robes more than once.
However, I recognized something our wonderful editor, Rebecca Silverman, confirmed for me later. Similarly to Japanese BL, danmei appears to be primarily made for women and by women. With that in mind, it's not exactly a great portrayal of queer experiences, from what I've been made aware of. Danmei's more about the thrill of spicy, forbidden love and less about the meatier aspects of it. But I hear that spice is pretty "meaty" to begin with, if you know what I mean.
The best comparison point for Western audiences might be those steamy romance novels you've seen your aunt try to sneak into her cart at the grocery store.
It's metaphorically "meaty," as the censorship-navigating writing has evolved. But you're right; similar to the frivolous, now-outdated term "yaoi" for Japanese boys' love stories, the term "danmei" translates to "addicted to beauty." Honing in even closer, it's borrowed from the Japanese word "tanbi," which I'll always remember for TWIA contributor Nicky describing as meaning “#aesthetic.” It's fitting when you see the style of art accompanying these books, not to mention the mountains of fan art they've spawned.
Incidentally, that fan art tipped me off to the incipient popularity of danmei, particularly through the artist alleys of my choice conventions, signaling the kind of penetration it had. (Not that kind of penetration! Again, censorship!)
You'd need a white bar over the offending member for that kind of censorship.
As someone with the aforementioned experience among previously popular BL, I can see the contention of popular danmei's reducing of queer romance to an aesthetic and even arguable fetishization of it. In this case, with the cultural points raised, I could see value in solidarity between audiences and demographics.
Mostly hypothetically, I should stress. I'm far from a salient political commentary wonk, let alone when discussing a whole separate country from my own. I'm just a queer guy who likes talking about queer cartoons.
I'm a proponent of digging into these more prickly topics if it can help out the people we're talking about. However, we're just a couple of dudes thousands of miles from where everything is happening. I might not have certain lived experiences, but I do my damndest to do right by folks with those experiences.
Especially because that disconnect we've been pulling at seems to run a bit deeper at this point in the story. After reviewing baiwu-jinji's reporting, danmeinews.com's coverage, and Rebecca's scholarly research into danmei, I got the impression that the solidarity we'd like to see doesn't seem to be there domestically. In that, while authors are out there writing transgressive and boundary-pushing stories, they're largely disconnected from China's own LGBTQ+ community. But on our side of the planet (which we have a little insight into), I can see danmei perhaps bridging those gaps as Japanese BL titles have done over time. However, we've got to keep in mind that between these three countries (China, the USA, and Japan), the political realities of just existing as a queer person vary wildly.
A lot of it comes down to how governing bodies define "obscenity" and use that to censor works, which is one of the converging commonalities we can see coming Stateside, as we can most certainly discuss. My readings on the subject mostly springboarded from this dense, citation-filled article from Tingting Hu, Liang Ge, and Cathy Yue Wang about China's evolving censorship efforts against danmei.
For me, it helped to clarify the ways danmei has continued to have a presence in the face of that censorship, how others have been taken down across multiple decades, and how that compares to the crackdown on the Haitang Literature authors referenced at the beginning of this discussion. It's worth a read-through, along the stones we're touching on here.
Absolutely! That article is probably the best and most succinct breakdown of the situation as it currently stands. Speaking of what we can see heading stateside, you better believe that if manga has already been targeted, the danmei in your public library might be in the same boat.
Especially when you consider the American book-banning fixation on queer literature.
Exactly. That brings me to that point about fictional depictions of queerness and its crossover with cultural rejections in the real world. These sorts of bans are predicated on the supposed idea that this so-called illicit material is "corrupting" impressionable youths. As noted in your article, this has been a hot-button issue in libraries and has erupted into a firestorm of talked-about literature bans this year for reasons I think should be obvious to anyone living here.
It's notable in comparative context because of the way these so-called "obscene" books are being targeted purely for being queer. Thanks to that "nothing below the neck" rule of Chinese censorship, some of the manhua adaptations of these danmei don't even get much more explicit than Sasaki & Miyano, which nonetheless found itself in the book-banning crosshairs.
And as I've stated in my article, librarians (and general readers, too) would appreciate it if the publishers of these works did a bit more to push back on these challenges aside from just individual employee action.
Speaking from the cynical "number go up" perspective, it would also guarantee that you'd have more loyal, ride-or-die customers...
This gets into the whole push-and-pull aspect of the popularity of the material. There's a ton of danmei and adaptational media that's stupendously popular in multiple parts of the world that's intermittently locked behind censorious institutions, as with the Immortality TV series. Others are self-regulated into being presented as "bromance," despite viewers knowing exactly what they're there for.
Going back to the Haitang Literature authors, this bears out in the given reason they were arrested for "profiting" off this so-called obscene material. It's genuinely being punished because it was successful, and the powers-that-be saw that as antithetical. Arguably threatening, even.
That raises the troubling idea that if one of these authors becomes successful and their work reaches an international audience, they might be seen as disposable to a publisher. After all, there is so much danmei being produced that someone in a high-level position might say, "Ah, they got arrested. On to the next one." I hate thinking this way, but the gravity of this situation naturally raises uncomfortable thoughts like this.
That led me to think about the "chilling effect" glimpsed in those translated Weibo comments. These authors are seemingly blaming themselves for writing this material under the auspices that what they did was "wrong," as opposed to being creators who were persecuted simply for creating art. It presents a situation that can feel all too prescient as obscenity laws targeting the existence of queerness in media pop up in news stories on our side of the world.
As you said, the licensing and release of this material marches on from the business side of things. The irony is that if the global rise in this sort of censorship and government crackdown continues, publishers might not be able to sell stuff like danmei here as easily eventually, either.
To reiterate my reporting, that same concern arose while I spoke with librarians. Especially if the publishers give in to these demands first, thinking it'll be safer for their business. Between those conversations and our own, it seems to me that it's a concern that can broadly be applied to queer and transgressive works on the whole.
Which brings me back to my proposed thesis on solidarity. To wit: trying to legislate out queer fiction under the guise of "obscenity" is an attempt to legislate out queer existence, period. This can be seen in proposed obscenity laws that have popped up across the country this year, alongside things like bans on "drag performances" that are, broadly, excuses to criminalize the existence of transgender and gender-nonconforming people in public.
I can get the trepidation when works like danmei and BL don't necessarily represent the gay lifestyle and even fetishize it for an outside audience in some cases. But the flip side is that if the enemies of this material equate it with that lifestyle, then defending one against censorship ostensibly defends the other.
That's an amazing point, Chris. The people targeting queer material do not care if it's a respectful representation or not—they just want it gone. It's why standing behind danmei, BL, and any queer stories is important, even if it's not perfect. And let's be honest, many forms of representation can be flawed, but it opens up the avenue for a deeper, good-faith conversation with those willing to have it.
Lucas and Steve were just talking toxic queer romance from another country a couple of days ago, and I'm not unknown for my propensity toward problematic faves. I would also advise fans of danmei, BL, and other material to be open to that dialogue with the queer community about how this material does or doesn't represent them. But overall, this is a real "stronger together" situation against a common enemy.
As for how to exercise that united strength, I've admittedly gotten less concrete advice. It feels especially hard to propose against a crackdown happening halfway around the world that has already coerced those kinds of responses from the affected authors. Though the aforementioned domestic attempts mean there are likely local legislatures you can make your voice heard to while you keep demonstrating this material's popularity by buying translations of your fancifully written pseudo-smut.
We can only really speak to what we can do here stateside. But to echo those librarians one last time... Get involved locally when you can—build communities, attend town hall meetings if need be, and join in on advocacy efforts. But more important than anything, keep enjoying these works in any way, shape, or form you prefer! Be it buying the books, borrowing them from your library, or watching the TV adaptations. It all sends the message that you want to see danmei (and other queer stories) stick around.
And in the spirit of those creatives arrested in the inciting case here, don't forget to support more independent creators of queer fiction, adult or otherwise. We've already seen and discussed how intermittently tricky selling smut can be, and that's before taking into account the possibility of being straight-up incarcerated for it. I'm not trying to advocate capitalism and purchasing power as praxis, but support, especially to the marginalized, is critical in times like these.
Even if it's not the ideal solution, folks must stick together and support each other as best they can.
And as we keep going, we've just got to keep challenging and swatting down litigious censors however we can, whenever they pop up.
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