Sylvia and Chris explore the world of hentai artists who toned it down to break into the mainstream.
Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the participants in this chatlog are not the views of Anime News Network. Spoiler Warning for discussion of the series ahead.
Chris
Sylvia, I know it seems today that all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV. So I'm glad this anime season has at least one show providing some good, old-fashioned values.
I don't know where they found the artist behind Even the Student Council Has Its Holes!, but they're clearly a believer in nice, clean, family fun.
Sylvia
Yes, as we all know, the industry only pays attention to and rewards the most wholesome of voices, and we can certainly count Student Council Holes' creator, Muchimaro, among them, with their appreciation for raw physicality and the weight of violence.
In fact, Chris, I have it on good authority that they got their start drawing something called "ryona." I don't know what that is, but it's such a pretty name that it can only refer to something just as pretty. I'm sure.
Hey, any artist this dedicated to their craft must consider it a beautiful, inspiring form.
Breaking our customary column-opening kayfabe, "ryona" is, for those not in the know, a fetish based around artful depictions of sexualized violence. Hence, Muchimaro's mascot character for Student Council Holes (who, not to put too fine a point on it, is named "Komaro") has the propensity for getting run over, bleeding, and generally getting messed up.
They do it to other characters like Tan too. They're equal-opportunity.
Very based of them. And more to the point, Muchimaro's example this season allows us to broach a topic we've been kicking around in the idea rooms for quite a while now: porn/hentai/fetish/otherwise-unsavory-content artists who have been able to break into the mainstream with tamer works. It's interesting to analyze an artist's voice and what may make them successful. It's especially interesting to consider as we see more and more crackdowns on the kind of art that's deemed "acceptable" for consumption. I mean, this has nothing to do with anime, but the UK will ban certain kinds of porn this very month.
And some of Muchimaro's "original" works would probably fall into those soon-to-be illegal categories. Yet here they are now enjoying a high-profile adaptation of their manga. And it's one of my favorites from this season!
Same! And that tracks on multiple fronts—you and I are both on record as fans of the perverse and holders of the belief that you have to be at least a little perverted to make truly impressive, inspiring art. While Holes has mostly been great comedy so far, I believe it has the potential to reach those really inspiring places.
Still, a fetish artist creating a great series so saucy it has to run on OceanVeil might not be surprising to some. But the broader point of this topic launchpad is that a lot of hit anime out there come from artists who cut their teeth on risque material. Hell, it's practically a cliché to point out how virtually all manga-ka dabbled in the doujin scene at least a little to start. But then some are more well-known than others, to the point that, like Muchimaro with Komaro, they can straight port their creations over to mainstream anime in a slightly less salacious form.
The most blatant example that comes to mind is Don't Toy with Me, Miss Nagatoro. Mangaka Nanashi (also known as 774) got their start making hentai doujin works of a usually femdom persuasion, which included a series starring the titular Miss Nagatoro and her propensity for teasing. Albeit in a more extreme form.
And in this case, you can still find some of them on Nanashi's pixiv account! I'll refrain from linking directly, but it's really not hidden at all.
Nagatoro was something of a memetic avatar for this kind of fetishy material before the bowdlerized version of her manga hit the stands. Depending on what anime/manga message boards you were on, you knew about her. Forget open secret; this was just open.
What made it even less of a stretch is that when the teen-friendly version of Nagatoro was made, it turned out that experience writing heavily emotionally invested bullying fetish material actually made Nanashi pretty well equipped to explore the relationship, its ins and outs, from a rather respectful angle. It's almost wholesome in its depiction of a couple of kids who quickly realize what they're into and work to navigate along with their romantic feelings.
Indeed, I remember being surprised and pleased with how quickly the manga exposes Nagatoro to be just as easily flustered as the target of her slightly spicy affections.
It rings true to the awkwardness of being a teen and just starting to figure out how sex, kink, and relationships in general work. It's a lot of weird trial and error, and trying to balance honesty with embarrassment. And seeing it depicted so earnestly is downright endearing.
Frankly, I don't believe you'd get this kind of authenticity out of an author who wasn't already comfortable working in the fetish fantasy mines.
Right, this is why you can't diminish the hardcore side of authors' output, because in those arenas, a lot of them are still doing it for pure love of the material. So the same sense of care and authenticity is honed there because that's how they create art that resonates the hardest. In one way or the other.
It also creates interesting opportunities when these artists are steeped in these kinds of environments and the broader reactions to them. That is to say, the first season of Don't Toy with Me, Miss Nagatoro climaxes with an interrogation of what actually constitutes "pornographic" art and how much audience expectations and reads play into that. It's genuinely compelling, and is entirely borne out of the experiences of an artist who came up in these spaces, now pivoting to this different one!
And it's an especially salient point because pornography's legitimacy as "Art" is an issue that continues to be debated. It's an important debate, too, involving the questions of how we define pornography, how we define art, and how much overlap any group of people allows those terms. While it's tempting to get philosophical, the truth is that this concern is becoming increasingly legislative (like the aforementioned UK bans) and institutional (as credit card processors continue to dictate what people can and cannot spend their money on).
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But of course this issue also bleeds into the day-to-day online discourse that too frequently makes my eyes bleed.
Can't believe I lived to see Don't Toy with Me, Miss Nagatoro stay relevant into 2026, but that just again makes me grateful this version of the series turned out so well.
Because it can be too easy, as you say, for the day-to-day discourse to get caught up in their own concerns and judgments when they find out where the author of their favorite series might have originated. I remember a lot of collar-tugging back when folks saw some of the more out-there works from Land of the Lustrous author Haruko Ichikawa.
I remember that. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody who paid attention to reading or watching Land of the Lustrous that Ichikawa would have a predilection towards body horror—and horror around bodies in general. Anime Feminist hosts an article by Sinclair August that touches on the more salacious aspects of her previous works and how they tie into her breakout hit.
And to repeat an earlier point, I don't believe you get a work as ambitious and holistic as Land of the Lustrous without pushing those kinds of boundaries and testing what works and what really digs into the flesh of the subject matter. Such works won't be for mass consumption, by design, but that doesn't make them lesser or less important. It certainly doesn't constitute a black mark on the artist's reputation.
Artists are people, and them being both people and artists means that their art is going to be a primary vector for their feelings and indulgences. That's why I like art and the people you can see through it, and it's why I'm compelled by the artists whose more unfiltered excursions are known to be out there for comparison with their other material. Muchimaro is someone with a powerful personal love for cute characters getting wrecked, and also has a spot-on voice for depicting the awkward stages of adolescent growth and attraction.
That's not shameful, that's interesting. Who is this person? I want to know more.
Exactly! Also, this is pure speculation on my part, but a perhaps surprising number of ryona artists happen to be women, and I wouldn't be shocked if Muchimaro was too (which would also explain why Komaro's original name was Muchimaro-chan). On the surface, that might not make sense. Why would a woman be interested in drawing art of women being hurt and abused? But if you think about art (which includes pornography) beyond the surface level, it actually makes a ton of sense as a means of sublimation and processing of the grander societal traumas inflicted on women. Porn is a means of expression that the artist can control, and there's power in that. Even therapeutic power.
It's why there's so much to be frustrated about with that aforementioned legislation against different kinds of saucy content. It's not just clamping down on the kinds of dirty pictures people want to look at—it's restricting the kinds of art people can create. It's such a wrong-headed move, especially since, as Nagatoro demonstrated, it shouldn't be the business of any prying body if someone created something for the "wrong" or "right" reason. Cutting loose has always been part of the process. Even Hokusai did "Dream of the Fisherman's Wife."
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Do I have to censor this one? Editors, that's my art-history-relevant tentacle porn.
Agreed, I think there's a tendency to lump all porn and erotica together as inherently exploitative and thus evil. And, I mean, I get it. I was raised Catholic and internalized a lot of regressive ideas about sexuality growing up that I had to put the work into unlearning. That's not something that happens automatically, and I had the benefit of doing so in an era before the mass adoption of social media. So I try to allow obnoxious teens online some leeway. More worrying are the adults in power who see porn as a wedge issue through which they can tighten their grip on any free expression or free access to the internet. Discord, the application on which I am currently typing, now categorizes me as an "Adult." That's a thing it has to do now.
Given the sorts of topics we've volleyed back and forth here over the years, I would hope they'd be aware of how grown-up we are. No way there are any teens who're discussing Yosuga no Sora.
Naturally. It's messed up that the Discord overlords can now dictate the content I'm allowed to see, and revoke it at any time, in a situation in which they hold almost all of the power. That's not a good combination, and it's all downstream of puritan concerns about porn. Which, again, is why I think we need to acknowledge that porn artists are all around us and already making art that can move and affect us in addition to titillating us. Or poking fun at the notion of censorship in general.
That's not to say I think all porn artists need to pivot to the mainstream or make subversively poignant works with their accrued skills in order to matter. Iida Pochi, for instance, took one of her hentai series and just toned it down a touch to give us The Elder Sister-like One. And I love and respect her for that.
The saucy stories themselves can just be the appreciable art if the author wants. It's why I'm grateful to Ryuta Amazume for giving us earnest BDSM rom-com Nana & Kaoru, or the brilliant exploitation of Rui Takatō's Booty Royale (now there's a guy who would have opinions on all this government overreach!)
And I also like it when those kinds of pivots result in anime adaptations from those other angles. Azure Konno took on Koe de Oshigoto!, which is less a hentai series and more a series about the hentai industry, specifically the erotic voice-acting in adults-only visual novels. Still very much NSFW, but still slightly filtered—and allowing Konno to lift characters and scenarios from their really explicit manga for the new framing. It's a fun conversation!
Also, OceanVeil, if you're reading this: Koe de Oshigoto! would be a terrific fit for your platform.
Indeed! And it's pretty funny how quickly OceanVeil has risen in my estimation due to all the headwinds against anything remotely pornographic. It's one of those subscriptions I actually feel good about paying for as opposed to begrudging and resentful. They're fighting the good fight.
They got Interspecies Reviewers back on streaming years after the now-defunct Funimation and even a couple of Japanese channels deemed it too saucy to carry! That's a power move in today's environment.
Also the likes of Eiken and Amazing Nurse Nanako, but uh...look, there's value in keeping even the less-good horny art available as well. Rising tides and all that.
I mean there's plenty of garbage that isn't pornographic, so it's only rational that porn should be allowed its fair share of garbage too.
Of course! Like we've said, so much of this, as part of the artistic element, is only normal and human. That's why I think it's valuable to have a discussion like this that normalizes the less-innocent indulgences that informed so many fan-favorite authors and resultant anime adaptations. Again, it's practically a meme to mention how many authors got their start in hentai, but it's still one of my favorite notes to bring up: Kiyohiko Azuma drawing characters who really look like Yukari from Azumanga Daioh (or vice versa, really) in compromising positions. Or discover that the guy apparently has a thing for rather pointy nipples.
These predilections aren't as on display in Azuma's comedies as the ones in Student Council Holes, but they're still there and part of informing the artists' work.
Look, Osamu Tezuka, the godfather of all modern manga, drew furry pin-ups. If it's good enough for him, it's good enough for the rest of the medium.
It's nice to know we can draw a straight line from Tezuka's craft to the defining artistry of Student Council Holes (probably with a pit stop at the furry debauchery of Paru Itagaki's BEASTARS).
There are a lot of other examples of faves in this space, from online tights pervert Yom getting multiple anime adaptations, to Hayato Sakamoto being an official Transformers manga artist who previously made his name doing...18+ Transformers doujins. But at this point, the proof of our point about perversion powering artistry is apparent, I hope.
The fact of the matter is that horny is one of the most powerful forces on the planet, and it behooves any artist to learn how to harness their own particular brand of it. There's a wide and beautiful spectrum of horny out there, and I want to see and inspect more of it, within and outside the mainstream.
I encourage all viewers with even a modicum of artistic curiosity to do the same. You never know when you'll find something to make you say, "This is my hole! It was made for me!"
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